GCM 26 | Being Overwhelmed


We all arrive at that point where all our work piles up ahead of us. It becomes harder to keep track of what to do that sometimes we feel stuck. It seems the entire world is flooding before us and get so overwhelmed. Kathryn Kemp Guylay, coach, founder, management consultant, and CEO, talks about the “work plan” and how she helps people avoid being overwhelmed. She shares the importance of taking a break and zooming out into nature and being in the here and now. Kathryn gives some valuable productivity hacks that will push you to be more efficient than ever without the burden of being overwhelmed.

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Kathryn Kemp Guylay on How To Be Productive Without Being Overwhelmed

I have Kathryn Kemp Guylay with me. She’s going to share her knowledge and her information with us. She’s going to impart some wonderful knowledge into us. She has spent more than 25 years in the business and nonprofit management world as a coach, a founder, a management consultant and CEO. Her clients have been IBM, GE, 3M, Motorola, Siemens and dozens of other Fortune 500 and 100 companies. Kathryn’s current transformational project is to Make Everything Fun. Who doesn’t want to have fun? Everybody wants to have fun. That is a platform for online education, training, resources, and podcasts. As a bestselling author and publisher, she’s working on her seventh book. She has received ten awards for her books, which span from nonfiction, self-help, and children’s books. She’s known for being a relentlessly helpful person to her clients and her students. She’s also a dedicated wife, mom of two teenagers, and an exercise partner with her two dogs. Kathryn, welcome to the Game Changer Mentality podcast.

Rodney, thank you so much.

How are things going with you? How have you been?

It’s fall now and this is back to school time. For everybody, it’s resetting things in their life. It’s one of these things that are a little challenging to get everybody back to school and get back to work. Not that I wasn’t working over the summer, but the cadence of life changes a lot. I always say for parents that they need to take deep breaths, not just around the holiday season, but the fall season. The month of September is always tough for parents and May is tough for parents because it’s wrapping up all the craziness of the school year. That’s where I’m at.

I was at a college counseling meeting with my daughter. I help people avoid overwhelm. We walked out of the meeting and my daughter, I could tell the energy was coming off of her of, “I am so overwhelmed,” because the college counselor was literally like, “You need to do this. You’ve got to sign up for your SAT subject tests. You’ve got to do this.” All these deadlines were coming up and all these different schools have different deadlines. She was so overwhelmed that I stepped out with her in the hall and I said, “I do this professionally. I work with my clients to put them on work plans. I know work plans sound professional.” I explained what it was, a way to organize everything, “It will make you feel much more relaxed and able to breathe.” My daughter, as you know with parents, sometimes they’re not open to their parents’ advice, but she was like, “Mom, can we do that right away? Get me on a work plan.”

We all need work plans because, in our busy lives, there’s so much that we have to go on. I found myself doing many things but then when I look back it’s like, “I don’t feel productive. I don’t feel rewarded by all the activity that I’ve done.” I’ve done a lot, but how effective was I? To have a work plan, to have that conscious awareness of, “Here are the most effective things to do,” or maybe break it down into small chunks, that’s a game-changing event, that’s a game-changing awareness. Talk to us more about this work plan. Exactly what is it and how can people use it?

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Where this started and probably why it’s called a work plan is it did start with my work with corporations as a management consultant. I got my MBA in 1995 and I went right into management consulting. I did that for about a decade and rose through the ranks of a medium-size management consulting firm, but we had big clients and complex projects. It was one of these things where I was a mid-twenty-year-old. Corporations like AT&T were saying, “We have this huge problem. We need your team to come in and solve it.” The projects would usually be months long but it would be overwhelming. How could these amazing, smart corporations with all these resources not have the ability to solve a problem, look to us, and then we would have to be completely confident that we could get it done?

Here’s the juice. The juice is that if you trust the process, you can have high confidence. You can trust yourself and trust the team. There were many days and evenings, I worked long hours back in those days, where I felt lost and not confident. There was one day, Rodney. I’ll try to bring our audience to this because I’m sure everybody’s been there. It’s late, you’re tired, you’ve been almost banging your head against the desk, and you don’t understand how you’re going to get something done. You can’t figure out the end plans like, “How are we going to do this?” I walked into my boss’ office and he was still working as well and I said, “David, I feel I am treading water but it’s tar in the dark. I have no idea how to move forward.” First of all he said, “Welcome to my life.” He said, “Let’s talk about how this project is different than any other projects we’ve done before.”

The players were different and sometimes the problems were slightly different, but the process was always the same. Of course, we get through it. What a work plan does is it says, “Here’s where you are today and here’s where you want to get to.” It’s customized. In the case of an AT&T type project, we were doing a complete organization redesign, job design and compensation design all aligned with the strategy. We’ve done this over and over. We knew what things we had to do, who we had to interview, and what data and information we needed to collect. We had checkpoints along the way. As we went forward with confidence, we always got there, the process worked.

I was working with some clients that want to publish books. A book project can seem overwhelming. People feel they’re treading water in tar in the dark. It’s like, “How do I move forward?” If you can sit down with somebody that’s done it before and have them lay out the steps, the work plans that I do for my clients are long and sometimes they have multiple sheets because I do them in Google Sheets. It’s not a high-tech platform that I’m using. I’m just using Google Sheets, it looks like an Excel spreadsheet. It has little milestones and has sections. It has who’s going to do it, by when, and then I have links in there so it’s all in one place. What it does is it’s like David Allen’s theory or philosophy in his book, Getting Things Done. If everything is written down and if you trust the process, you free up your mind. Once everything is written down, you free up your creative parts of you. This incredible genius that you have in you is freed up because you’re not bogged down worrying about, “Am I forgetting something?”

What I find with the clients that I work with, as soon as we have a work plan, they’re free and then they can go about their days. Maybe you do three to five things a day. You don’t have to pack your days full of stuff, but you do have to trust that it’s getting done. Where your best work happens is away from the desk. It’s when you’re out for a walk or in nature, whatever. Taking breaks is also an important part of it because you’ve done the work. You’ve put it down in a work plan. Your mind, with all that freedom that’s been created, can start to solve the problem. The subconscious is in charge. It’s 80% to 95% of our brain. If you’ve written it down and you stated that you’re going to get this done, your subconscious will go to work for you. It will make sure that you get these things done, but you got to write it down.

GCM 26 | Being Overwhelmed

Being Overwhelmed: Sometimes the problems are slightly different, but the process is always the same.


One of the things that are moving me with the work that you do is the fact that you keep it simple. Simplicity is a big deal. A lot of times because of the complexity of planning, you have a complex effort you need to complete, but then you go about it in a complex way, the planning is complex. That’s a recipe for disaster. I tell people whenever you want to go somewhere, whenever you want to move to a place. If you want to go to a higher place in life, you want to complete a project, get through a challenge or anything like that. A lot of times we focus on that end item. It’s the destination that we focus on. I always tell people that is not the most important part.

We’re always focused on that deadline, that delivery or the end item, getting the book done. The most important steps are the steps in between, where you are and where you want to go. This work plan, it sounds like it lays all of that out. Whenever you have all of that laid out because that’s the unknown part. A lot of times we don’t know how we’re going to get where we want to go. That’s why we need to focus on that because once we can get that level of confidence in, “I need to take this turn. I need to do this. I need to do that.” Then we can put milestones to it, “I need to be here at this timeframe, here at that time frame.” It lays out a path that’s workable, that’s doable and your mind can be free, which is where all of the creativity comes in.

As we go about completing those steps, we can be creative. We can be free to fulfill those milestones or those steps to the maximum extent possible. About taking those breaks, that is the definition of resilience. Being able to bounce back whenever you’ve put forth the effort, whenever you’ve done the thing that needs to be done, you take the break. You can come back renewed because you’re being resilient. Incorporating resilience in your work plan, the fact that you are doing that is speaking volumes. You talked about nature a little bit. Let me know if that’s a key component to the work that you do.

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It is key in what nature allows us to do in the simplest way. You talked about simplicity. People can know subject matter so deeply and profoundly, but if they can’t explain it to somebody at say the sixth-grade level, then I don’t think they know their content well enough. The simpler you can make things, the better. I’ll try to do that as we talk about the importance of nature. It’s all about how nature allows us to zoom out. Let’s say we have the work plan. You have all the steps and you feel like you’ve got this journey, I also love how you talk about how the joy is in the journey.

What nature allows us to do is it allows us to zoom out from all of the details of our lives and the entire minutia. To our audience, nod your head if you have felt this, like the hamster on a wheel. You’ve got so much to do, you’re chugging away, and you’ve got scraps of paper all over your desk. You’re trying to manage all these different things and keep it all organized. Sometimes you’re like, “Did I get anything done?” because you’re running all day like the hamster, like, “Where am I going?”

What you have to do to break that hamster on the wheel syndrome is you have to get out. I’m not saying that you have to go to a mountaintop or go to an ocean or something. Those are wonderful. You could go out in the city and you could look up at a patch of blue sky and that will do it for you. You could look at a little bit of green grass. What that zooming out does is it allows you to break that hamster in the wheel thing, and then start asking some more profound questions like returning to your why. Why are you doing this? Why is this important? You can even zoom out on a timeline and say, “When it’s my funeral, I’ve passed on, and my family is speaking about me at my funeral and my colleagues and my community members. Is this all part of the journey that I want to culminate in what people are going to say about me? Does it matter?” A lot of times what you’ll find is that some of that hamster wheel stuff has nothing to do with your endpoint.

I love to also look at my work plans and to-do lists and call things out and pass them off to different areas. I even have for people that have used the word God in their faith. You could say, God, you could say goddess, you could say Universe, all that is, but put it on God’s list. Sometimes you have so much on your list and you’re like, “I don’t want to give that up.” “Give it to God or give it to the goddess, all that is Universe something.” If you have 100 things that have your name next to them, you’re on the hamster wheel. You need to take some of those things out and give those to somebody else. If you don’t have anyone to delegate to, delegate to something greater.

That is powerful. That’s worth saying again, it really is. I live by the water and I made it a point to buy a house near water because I feel there’s power in water. You can look up at the sky. You can look at the trees. For me, it’s water. I love looking at things that are green as well. I even have green things in my office. When I’m able to go to the water, it’s the sense of getting grounded for me. Sometimes we need to do that. We need to go back and reground ourselves. When we’re busy, we’re doing this and that, but we can come back to a place that can cause us to get present to the moment.

Being Overwhelmed: What nature allows us to do is zoom out from all of the details of our lives and all of the minutia.


A lot of times we’re focused on meeting deadlines. We’re focused on getting all this stuff, the kids, dinner, work, business, and all of those things. Sometimes we have to come back to the moment and live in that moment, the here and the now. There’s so much power in being back in that moment, in the here and the now, where you can hear. You can start to see that maybe there are some things that don’t belong on this list. Maybe I am doing a little bit too much. I’m taking on too much responsibility.

I’m making it more complicated than it has to be or I need a sense of calmness, a sense of peace, a sense of aloneness with the universe, to rest in that and there’s rejuvenation in that. There’s creativity in that. I make it a point to glare at the water throughout my day, every day, and have that moment with nature where I can rejuvenate, come into that place of peace, and have that connection. It does baseline why I do what I do. Why I do the work that I do it. It’s a remembrance of my existence and the purpose of that existence here on Earth. That is a beautiful thing that you’re talking about here.

What do you think, Rodney? Can I give a couple of productivity hacks around what you just said?

Absolutely, have at it.

Make Everything Fun, that’s my umbrella brand. Underneath that I have Make Publishing Fun, I have Make Entrepreneurship Fun and I have Make Nutrition Fun and Make Wellness Fun. I do focus on the whole person. I have a lot of knowledge around that whole wellness thing. I want to bring into about the water and what other people might do if they’re not near the water or people that have access to water. I’ll give you three hacks, but also in those areas of Make Everything Fun. Those are all areas that we spend a lot of time on. I’m not saying with Make Everything Fun that we should make the annoying, mundane, taking the garbage out in the morning things that are little, tiny pieces of our life. I’m not saying, “Make that fun.” I’m not about being unrealistic and frivolous.

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When I talk about my Make Everything Fun brand, I’m talking about those things that you are spending a lot of time on. I believe that you need to have some sustainable energy when you’re taking on these big projects. That’s why I have the entrepreneurship, the publishing, the wellness, and the nutrition because those are things that you spend a lot of time on. Here are my hacks. For you, Rodney, did you know that after you spend a lot of time looking at your computer screen, that you become myopic physically? You’re physically focused and then your brain can get myopic and then the myopic thinking shut down your creative spark. What you can do is you go to the place, like the water or any place that has this huge, open horizon. You can take in the full horizon for a minute, two or five, whatever you have, make it a meditation.

The point is to expand your view and your horizons because that’s happening physically. It’s also happening on many other energy levels and it will help your creativity. That’s a reset for your system. That’s one hack. Another one, you talked about grounding. There’s all this work being done about something called Earthing because the Earth has a magnetic energy to it that can center and ground us. The hamster wheel is also a frenetic spiraling feeling. If you want to ground yourself, what you can do is you can go outside, take off your shoes and plant your feet on the earth. Close your eyes and sense that grounding. People talk about pulling their energy through their feet all the way to the center of the Earth and anchoring yourself there. That’s another way. It’s a hack that will get you out of that spiraling thinking and get you more grounded in what’s important.

The final one, since those were a little boo-boo. People that take breaks constantly, every hour they take breaks, are so much more productive. We’re talking about two to three times more productive in their work day than people that show up, sit there, heads down and say, “I’m going to work all day.” When I first read these studies, I was like, “No way.” You’re saying that by setting a timer and stopping my work at 40 minutes, 45 minutes and 50 minutes, whatever it is and going and doing something fun every hour, that that’s going to make me more productive. I was relieved to have heard that because it’s been studied over and over. If you take a walk around the block once an hour, you can get in some pretty good exercise. That’s important to our overall long-term productivity. Everybody, take a break. Get cool, beautiful timers on your computer. I use this little cube that I put the little time up. That’s a meaningful, easy, and fun productivity hack because who doesn’t like taking a break?

Can you give us some examples of what those breaks may look like? I believe that when you take those breaks, you should get up and move your body. Go for a walk. Maybe even go for a jog, workout, do some pushups or something. Something to get the blood flowing is what is coming to my mind. What are your thoughts about that?

That would be also my number one go-to, would be to move your body, to get some fresh air, to do some stretching, yoga, deep breathing, things like that. That would be my first one but that’s me, it sounds like that’s you too. It is individual. I have a few colleagues, their candy is social media. They love it and they would do social media all day. They are a little addicted to the feedback, the likes and all that. I’m not like that. What I’m trying to say here is it’s super individual. You have to think about that thing that to you is a reward and that makes you feel better. I’m thinking of one person I know in mind. She will work for 45, 50 minutes. She’ll put a timer and she’ll take her ten minutes on social media. She shouldn’t do that all through the day because then you end up having a sedentary day. Social media should be more of a treat that you’re limiting.

It’s almost like you need a break from social media. Take a break from that. Give us a little bit of what the science is behind that. What’s happening? There are a couple of things going through my mind regarding self-care, taking care of yourself, and allowing your creative nature to reset, refocus, and revitalize itself to do more. What’s happening when we do that? Why is that important to take those breaks?

There are many layers of this, but I’ll go to one important layer or one important area and that is our brain. Neuroscience shows us that different parts of the brain will light up, meaning there’ll be more active when we are doing different kinds of things. The prefrontal cortex is what makes us the organized human beings that we are. It’s our executive function. It keeps us on track. At the deep area of our brain, it’s called the reptilian brain or the amygdala that’s right at the top of the brainstem. It’s deep in our brains. As you can imagine, the reptilian brain is much more about survival. It’s more about fight or flight. It has little to do with that highly enlightened, productive, creative thinking that you and I, and our audience, are looking for. You can’t get a lot done when you’re in that reptilian state.

Being Overwhelmed: People that take breaks constantly are so much more productive.


What we can do, what these breaks do, what these grounding exercises do, and this expansion and the horizon exercises do, is they get us out of the reptilian brain. Interestingly, our brains have not changed that much in the last 100,000 years. It’s a complex organ so it’s difficult for it to change. I believe in neuroplasticity and that we can constantly be changing our brains throughout our lives, but the basic structures are similar. We’re still programmed to wake up in the morning and be a little bit on alert. Is there a predator outside of our cave? We’re always ready for that potential fight or flight. We have to know that about ourselves and know that the fight, flight, or freeze. That’s what ends up happening to a lot of us, is we freeze, “I’m so overwhelmed.” What you’re doing is you’re going into that reptilian brain and you’re frozen in it because you can’t move forward.

This has been shown with the wonderful work recently being done on mindfulness and meditation. The monks, they go into those brain scanning machines and their brains are lighting up. The connections in the dendrites, it’s beautiful, creative, and peaceful. That’s what we need to do. What we are thinking about, what we wire together fires together. That’s the saying, it’s like, “The more you use those pathways in your brain of creativity, peace, love, and positivity, the more that those pathways become stronger.” That’s why those things happen in your life.

We do have a little bit of a negativity bias. It’s something about our brains that exists. We have to try to get past that. Positive things happen in our lives, we’re productive, we’re resilient and we’re creative. Listening to podcasts like this is a great way for people to start their day because then those parts of the brain aren’t wiring together and they’re lighting up. Instead of worrying and getting negative, when they listen to podcasts like this are doing what they need to be doing to be more productive, resilient and creative.

Every single day before I do anything, I listen to something positive, whether it’s a minister, whether it’s a motivational speaker, inspirational speaker, audiobook or YouTube. There’s so much information out there. I always fill my mind up with something positive every single day. I was just on another show right before yours and we were talking about the same thing. How do you set the tone for the day? If you wake up and you’re not putting those things in, a lot of times we go with those feelings. That’s the default mode. A lot of times those feelings are, “It’s another day,” or, “This project, I got to work with this again.” You are setting the tone for the day, but when you can break that and put something positive, you’ll start feeling differently towards the project, towards the day, towards whatever you have going on. That can make all the difference in the world.

Making it fun, I love the idea of making things fun. As adults, we get out of that stage of have fun. Everything is fun for a kid. I don’t care what it is like, “Dinner is fun. Taking a bath is fun. Washing the car is fun. Washing dishes is fun.” Adult human beings have a hard time of finding fun in our lives and I mean on a daily basis. I understand going on vacation and all of that stuff is fun. What are some things that we can do to incorporate more fun into our lives?

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I’m going to give some simple advice because the simple stuff is the powerful stuff. I am trained by Marci Shimoff as a Happy For No Reason Ambassador. That’s her work on positive psychology and happiness. I’ve done a lot of positive psychology work myself. Here’s the thing. Success begets success. Unfortunately, ruts beget ruts. When you get in a rut, if you can’t figure out some hacks to get out of that, it will continue to happen. I’m going to give you some really simple things that everybody can do that will change your life. I’ll start by saying that I’ve done this again and again. I have this PhD father. He is a PhD in Anatomy and Biochemistry at the Chicago Medical School. He’s all about the science.

He came to one of my book talks where I did this exercise and he was like, “That was weird, but it was interesting.” What I did, and I was nervous to show this in front of my dad because it’s more studied in Naturopathy. Osteopaths, applied kinesiologists and chiropractors do this. It’s applied kinesiology, it’s muscle testing. You have your arm out and you’re sometimes strong and sometimes weak. What makes you strong is when you’re in congruence, when you’re positive, and when you’re on the right path. When you’re weak, it’s when you’re not congruent. It’s when you’re negative and so on. If it’s just your deltoid muscle, your arm muscle that goes weak, you can imagine your whole body becomes weak. If you’re in this downstate and this is the negative state.

Here’s what I do with people. I don’t show them what I’m doing, but I put a happy face on their solar plexus, which is near their belly button, it’s your body’s antenna. Happy faced people are really strong, and then you do the unhappy face and people are very weak. I have another volunteer come up and I’m not showing them and we do it again. The same thing happens and then the crazy thing is you can put a flip chart or something behind the person. You could do a happy face there and the audience sees that happy face and it makes the person strong. That person’s not even looking at the happy face. It’s the energy of the people around you, too.

GCM 26 | Being Overwhelmed

Being Overwhelmed: The simple stuff is the powerful stuff.


I’ve heard you talk about this, your environment. I’ve heard you talk about this on your podcast before, about how the environment affects you. This is an example in kinesiology of why that’s true. You put the unhappy face, the crowd looks at it, and the person goes weak. What can we do? We can find positive relationships and environments. We can be more positive ourselves just by us smiling. We’re using mirror neurons, so when we smile, other people smile. We send signals to our brain that all as well. When you’re smiling, your brain knows. When you’re running from the tiger, you’re not smiling. The smiling is quite complex. It uses a lot of muscles. Laughing, you talked about kids having fun. Kids laugh on average of 400 times a day. Adults don’t even get close. Take a day and try to laugh 400 times. Be silly, be goofy. Smiling, laughing and then that environment and being aware are some simple things. You can also listen to positive music and positive messages. Those are things that can shift the energy in your day, in your life and get you on the right track.

You’ve written seven books. That’s a lot. Tell us about these books and what got you started with writing books. Would you recommend the audience write a book? Tell us about that.

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I work with authors all the time. I have these ten whys of why people write books. It’s important for people to understand why they write a book and then it affects their whole process. Writing a book is such a wonderful way to do things. Some people do it for catharsis, some people do it with legacies, and some people do it to grow their business. The book becomes their business card. Some people write books for clarity. When you write things down and you organize things, everything becomes clearer. I thought I was just going to write one book. I had so much fun with all of those whys. Not all of them applied but the legacy, the book as a business, and the clarity were what I was hooked. I got the writer’s bug because it is amazing to have so much clarity in one’s life.

There’s so much swirling down. When my sixth book was published, it was so fun. I used almost a work plan thing to outline that book. It was much simpler than my first book because I had done it many times before. Everyone in our audience has the book in them. It doesn’t have to be a huge book like a magnum opus, your life’s work, or your greatest work. It could be a simple children’s book. I’ve written a few children’s books. Those are a total blast and then you get to go spend time with kids reading to them and talk about giggles and laughs. It’s laughter. It’s so much fun.

I believe everybody could benefit in their own way from writing a book and it’s not so hard anymore. The publishing industry has changed so much in the last five to ten years. The snobbery and elitism that was rampant have broken down. Stephen King is self-publishing. Self-publishing, as long as it’s done well, no longer has a stigma. People can take charge of it themselves as a fun project. That’s what I encourage people to do.

Of all the things that you mentioned about the reasons why you should write a book, one that I want to mention is healing. After I wrote my first book, I realized there was a cleansing and clearing. I felt healed emotionally and spiritually, but even more so after I wrote my first book. You’ll find that as you’re able to get things out and put things on paper, it’s just that, you get it out. You release it. The beauty of that is it’s the fact that you get to release it, but then it becomes a help to the world. They can read your story, read the pain, and read the emotions that you were going through at the time. I found that to be healing. I know that we have a lot of people in our audience that perhaps have obstacles and challenges that they’re currently dealing with and that they’ve dealt with in the past.

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Some of those things are still lurking and still affecting you and it’s still bothering you. Perhaps you have the thought, “Maybe I should write a book. Maybe I should tell the story.” I would say, as an advocate of authorship, yes, get the book done. Write those things down and get it out. You will feel so much better when you do that. Kathryn, tell us if someone wants to write a book or they want to create some work plans, they want to make everything fun in their lives, how can they reach you? How can they connect with you?

I want to say congratulations on your healing work. You have been through so much and are truly a shining star of resilience. People should pick up your book. They should listen to your podcast. They should get to know you better and your story because you’ve been through so much and it’s inspirational to see what you’re doing. You’re a bright light in this world. As far as more information, people can go to MakeEverythingFun.com. I’ve got a tab there with my podcasts, courses, ways to work with me and my blog. That’s one place.

GCM 26 | Being Overwhelmed

Mountain Mantras: Wellness and Life Lessons from the Slopes

If they’re interested in my work in publishing, I do have separate websites for all my different sub-areas. I have MakePublishingFun.com and there are all kinds of information there about ways that I work with aspiring authors. I try to make it fun, make it simple, and make it impactful. I would love to offer our audience a free gift. My first book is my biggest book. It is more of my magnum opus than anything else. We talked a little bit about zooming out and there’s a chapter called Zoom Out. The book is called Mountain Mantras: Wellness And Life Lessons From The Slopes. It’s six mantras about how to lead a more productive and happy life. One of the mantras is to zoom out. People can get stories and they get action items from that book. It’s the whole book. It’s not teasers or sample chapters, whatever. It’s the whole book. That will be at MakeEverythingFun.com/GameChangers.

That is profound that you say zoom out because most people want to zoom in. We think we need to zoom in. We need to focus more. We need to get down into the weeds and get things done, but what you are saying is so polarizing. It’s to zoom out and you’ll be more productive. Kathryn, thank you so much for joining us on the show. It’s been an absolute pleasure to speak with you and to share this time with you. You are a wonderful light in the world. I love the work that you’re doing. I want to say thank you for stopping by to share with us and be with us. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Keep up your laughter. Sometimes people are embarrassed by it, to be laughing and stuff. When people finish reading this episode, go somewhere and start laughing like a crazy person and see how you feel afterward. Rodney, you’ve got one of those great laughs. It’s infectious so keep it up, keep doing it and I’m looking forward to staying in contact with you.

Thank you so much. Do you have any last words for our audience?

They just have to go laugh. I’m serious.

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About Kathryn Kemp Guylay

GCM 26 | Being Overwhelmed

Kathryn Kemp Guylay has spent more than 25 years in the business and nonprofit management world as a coach, founder, management consultant, and CEO.  Her clients have included IBM, GE, 3M, Motorola, Siemens, and dozens of other Fortune 500/100 companies.

Kathryn’s current transformational project is Make Everything Fun, a platform for online education, training, resources and podcasts. As a bestselling author and publisher, she’s working on her seventh book and has received ten awards for her books which span nonfiction, self-help and children’s books.

Kathryn is known for being “relentlessly helpful” to her clients and students. She is also a dedicated wife, mom of two teenagers, and exercise partner to two dogs.

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